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The massacre and the Marines

Seeded on Mon May 29, 2006 6:05 PM EDT
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-- US Marines could face the death penalty after one of their number took horrific photographs of a massacre in Iraq on his mobile phone, The Independent on Sunday has learned.

The photographs, seized by the US Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS), show many victims shot at close range in the head and chest, execution-style, according to sources who have seen them. One image shows a mother and young child bent over on the floor as if in prayer. Both have been shot dead.

Similar photographs taken by a Marines intelligence team which arrived on the scene later show that soldiers "suffered a total breakdown in morality and leadership, with tragic results", according to a US official quoted by the Los Angeles Times yesterday.

The killing of more than 20 Iraqi civilians in the town of Haditha last November, first reported in the IoS two months ago, has become an international scandal after evidence from two official investigations was shown to Congressmen in the past 10 days. Democrat John Murtha, a former Marines colonel who has retained close links to the military despite his denunciation of the Iraq occupation, said Marines "killed innocent civilians in cold blood".

Eyewitness accounts by local people and a video shot by an Iraqi journalism student had already called into question the Marines' version of events in Haditha just over six months ago. But the photographs by American forces could prove the crucial piece of evidence in an investigation that is now expected to result in charges of murder, dereliction of duty and making false statements against up to a dozen Marines.

According to reports in the US, military prosecutors may seek the death penalty for those found guilty of murder. Three Marines officers have already been relieved of duty, and more may be disciplined in a separate investigation into whether there was a cover-up after the killings. --

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JChow

Hey, if the terrorists do it why can't we?

/sarcasm

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Mon May 29, 2006 8:27 PM EDT
C. M. Peters

So...he could get life for taking the pictures or life for partaking in the massacres?

  • 1 vote
Reply#2 - Mon May 29, 2006 9:19 PM EDT
Irma

But the photographs by American forces could prove the crucial piece of evidence in an investigation that is now expected to result in charges of murder, dereliction of duty and making false statements against up to a dozen Marines.

That's the key sentence here. The article doesn't mention a punishment for taking the pictures, it's about how those pictures made it impossible for those marines to keep up the lies they previously told. There was an initial claim, then:

The Marines did not begin to change their story until an Iraqi human rights group obtained the journalism student's video, which showed that no Iraqis were killed in the bomb explosion.

Later on they changed their story again, and again. The pictures however clearly showed what really happened, and what happened could have them having to face the death penalty.

  • 3 votes
#2.1 - Tue May 30, 2006 9:54 AM EDT
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Brian Ford

Seriously... they took photos?

Do they learn nothing?

  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Mon May 29, 2006 11:18 PM EDT
Schwab

obviously that was stupid...

but that is missing the point, it doesn't matter if they photographed it or not. it's what they did. i have a(n awful) feeling a ton more of this kind of stuff happens and never makes it this far into the news.

  • 4 votes
#3.1 - Tue May 30, 2006 3:47 AM EDT
C. M. Peters

but that is missing the point, it doesn't matter if they photographed it or not. it's what they did.

So you're saying it's ok for someone to receive life in prison for photographing such incidents as mentioned above?

  • 1 vote
#3.2 - Tue May 30, 2006 7:36 AM EDT
LunarTick

C.M. Peters, if you were a witness to these horrific events and then either lied about them when questioned or tried to cover them up in any way, then yes, you should be locked up for life. In fact, I believe it's your duty as a soldier to report such incidences to your higher-ups if you're aware of them.

  • 2 votes
#3.3 - Tue May 30, 2006 9:52 AM EDT
Brian Ford

I tend to agree in this case.

They were certainly an accessory to a mass murder (if and when they are convicted) and a mass murder that is likely to cause irreparable harm to our soldiers in Iraq and to an already screwed up war effort.

  • 4 votes
#3.4 - Tue May 30, 2006 10:07 AM EDT
C. M. Peters

C.M. Peters, if you were a witness to these horrific events and then either lied about them when questioned or tried to cover them up in any way, then yes, you should be locked up for life. In fact, I believe it's your duty as a soldier to report such incidences to your higher-ups if you're aware of them.

I agree but that wasn't my question. I inquired about taking the photographs, the act itself.

  • 1 vote
#3.5 - Tue May 30, 2006 10:45 AM EDT
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Schwab

So you're saying it's ok for someone to receive life in prison for photographing such incidents as mentioned above?

sorry, i mistakenly assumed the soldiers taking the pictures were the ones who committed the atrocities.
I don't know about life sentences for taking pictures and not reporting the crime...i'm not expert on the law, but hopefully they'll get a fair trial and the appropriate punishment.

  • 1 vote
Reply#4 - Tue May 30, 2006 1:34 PM EDT
C. M. Peters

sorry, i mistakenly assumed the soldiers taking the pictures were the ones who committed the atrocities.
I don't know about life sentences for taking pictures and not reporting the crime...i'm not expert on the law, but hopefully they'll get a fair trial and the appropriate punishment.

This raises an interesting point, especially in the realm of photography. Let's say the U.S. decides certain attacks during a war are illegal. At the same time, let's say you have an embedded photographer/journalist. Do we prosecute them for photographing it but not reporting it?

  • 5 votes
#4.1 - Tue May 30, 2006 3:05 PM EDT
PhotoGeek

I'm a photographer, advertising not photojournalism, and I would say we should do just that (prosecute).

You have an obligation to report what you have seen, there should be no room for people with the kind of morals that allow them to photograph something like this happening and not to report it.

Some will disagree and thankfully we still have the right to do that; for now at least. This is, however, a horrible event, this whole "war effort" has been handled poorly by individuals in control.

This kind of thing happens in every war, war is horrible, even if the outcome sometimes is better than the original situation.

If this had happened in the states we would be going insane about it.

  • 5 votes
#4.2 - Tue May 30, 2006 3:45 PM EDT
Irma

I noticed the words embedded, and photographer/journalist and reporting. Not going into the prosecuting part for now but I'd say reporting is the core business of a good photographer/journalist. That is reporting as in 'to write or provide an account or summation of for publication or broadcast'. Surely such an attack would be newsworthy. The embedded part might perhaps in certain circumstances complicate the task of the journalist.

I do think there's a difference between the photographer/journalist/witness (embedded or not) and the soldier/member of the army/witness, a positional difference that is.

  • 4 votes
#4.3 - Tue May 30, 2006 4:41 PM EDT
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