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'He thought sex with a virgin would cure him'

Seeded on Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:16 AM EDT
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health, africa, health-care, aids, south-africa, hiv, arv, anti-retroviral-therapy
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-- He said he raped me because he thought having sex with a virgin would cure him of his disease. --

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geebee

Tragic but this kind of thing is happening every day in SA. Education, education education, required now.

  • 9 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:41 PM EDT
Dom Pody

It doesn't surprise me at all. As early as the early 1900s educated Europeans thought sex with a virgin was the cure to many STDs. It doesn't surprise me one bit that uneducated countries would have people who think like this.

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:49 PM EDT
Miguel

According to Mike Earl-Taylor of Scienceinafrica.co.za

Nearly 60 children are raped every day in South Africa and while experts agree to disagree as to the causes, or whether the pervasive belief in the so-called "Virgin Cure" prevents/cures HIV/Aids is possibly responsible for this deeply disturbing phenomenon, university researcher, Mike Earl-Taylor suggests it could well be a contributing factor, and a major one at that. Moreover, infant rape appears to be unique to South Africa, however, the Virgin Cure is not.

I got this from an interesting article from the same website which you can read here. A friend of mine went to work in South Africa as a doctor and would probably agree. One thing is for sure, rape is a huge problem there. Very sad story.

    #1.2 - Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:06 PM EDT
    Miguel

    That will teach me not to read all the comments in a post. I just reposted what Irma posted in the comments down there... Sorry about that.

      #1.3 - Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:07 PM EDT
      Irma

      Yes Miguel, shame on you :-p

        #1.4 - Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:11 PM EDT
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        I SPY

        All to common. There are places full of victims of this witch doctor crap

        • 3 votes
        Reply#2 - Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:33 PM EDT
        Ugly Bastard

        I find any article printed in the Guardian, highly suspect, even to the point where I'll automatically consider the facts they print to be erroneous.

        But let's assume this one Guardian article is true.

        The man who raped that girl is wrong.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#3 - Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:41 PM EDT
        Irma

        Nearly 60 children are raped every day in South Africa and while experts agree to disagree as to the causes, or whether the pervasive belief in the so-called "Virgin Cure" prevents/cures HIV/Aids is possibly responsible for this deeply disturbing phenomenon, university researcher, Mike Earl-Taylor suggests it could well be a contributing factor, and a major one at that. Moreover, infant rape appears to be unique to South Africa, however, the Virgin Cure is not. (source)

        Asked whether sex with a virgin would cure Aids, an "alarming" five percent of 2 000 people surveyed agreed, particularly in the coloured community.

        "That five percent agree with this statement may seem low at first, but it represents 550 000 adults just in the metropolitan areas alone who have this disastrously mistaken belief," commented Research Surveys, which conducted the survey. (source)

        VoilĂ , for your convenience, a couple of other sources. I'm sure that if you use Google, you can find many others, perhaps even one that is more to your liking than the Guardian.

        • 19 votes
        #3.1 - Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:47 PM EDT
        Josh of Arc

        I find any article printed in the Guardian, highly suspect, even to the point where I'll automatically consider the facts they print to be erroneous.

        Based on what?

        The man who raped that girl is wrong.

        [sarcasm] Gee, really? You think? What an astute and nuanced observation! [/sarcasm]

        -J

        • 10 votes
        #3.2 - Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:26 PM EDT
        Titan124

        Josh, the burden of proof is on the Guardian, not on the reader, so saying why do you assume it's false is wrong. It's like telling someone to prove there isn't a god, or prove the flying spaghetti monster wrong (for all you believers who believe the first one is ok).

        • 1 vote
        #3.3 - Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:58 PM EDT
        Josh of Arc

        Josh, the burden of proof is on the Guardian, not on the reader, so saying why do you assume it's false is wrong. Josh, the burden of proof is on the Guardian, not on the reader, so saying why do you assume it's false is wrong. It's like telling someone to prove there isn't a god, or prove the flying spaghetti monster wrong (for all you believers who believe the first one is ok).

        Nonsense. You are confusing "opinion" with "faith."

        When someone issues an opinion of blanket discreditation (really a generalization), the burden is on him to justify that discreditation.

        Your saying that it is like questioning someone's belief in God is simply silly. Belief in a god is called "faith," which is an un-rational (not irrational) acceptance of something as Truth (with a capital T) despite a lack of tangible or material evidence.

        Ugly Bastard offered a statement based on opinion rather than faith. His opinion that he distrusts The Guardian because he thinks it an erroneous source. His is a position that can most certainly be qualified. As he offered no factual basis for that opinion, the burden of proof is on him to back up his position.

        -J

        • 2 votes
        #3.4 - Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:35 PM EDT
        David Rutt

        I'm much more likely to believe something written in the Garudian (mis-spelling intentional) than, say, other British papers such as the Sun or Mirror.

        I can see why Ugly Bastard might distrust the Guardian. It's got a reputation for socialist views (and poor use of spellcheck) and has been known to sometimes offer news with a bit of bias. Not the case here though I'm sure.

        I'm actually starting to read it more and more, along with the Independent, Times and Telegraph. These are all great sources of news from different viewpoints.

        • 1 vote
        #3.5 - Mon Jul 3, 2006 4:43 AM EDT
        Irma

        When I look at the newspapers in Belgium, every single one of them is biased to a smaller or greater extent. This is not a problem, as long as you are aware of this. A person´s own personal bias also plays a role. And this is no problem either, if only one is aware this. I think it is not possible to be 100% objective.

        • 2 votes
        #3.6 - Mon Jul 3, 2006 7:16 AM EDT
        David Rutt

        Exactly Irma - I'm just suggesting that perhaps the Guardian's agenda differs from Mr Bastard's. Plus, they have been known to sensationalise stories on emotive topics, although not as badly as the tabloids.

        For instance, I always hold any story printed in the Mail with suspicion seeing as they're the Mary Whitehouse of British news publishing. Likewise the Sun and Mirror - too busy making sensationalist headlines to be checking their facts.

          #3.7 - Mon Jul 3, 2006 7:42 AM EDT
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          rumblefish

          The man who raped the girl is also a rapist, and more than likely gve her HIV too.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#4 - Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:27 PM EDT
          wolfger

          Yeah. That's kinda the point of the article. I sure hope nobody reading this needed those two things pointed out to them.

          • 9 votes
          #4.1 - Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:43 PM EDT
          rumblefish

          the user above me needed to state the obvious, i thought it might have been a trend on here or something.

          • 4 votes
          #4.2 - Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:45 PM EDT
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          Zaki

          I wonder why that Ugly Bastard hates the source of this article.

          My, I listen to their podcast all the time. They even have a podcast about the World Cup!

          It's because it's full of liberal views

          Ooo. so that's why he doesn't like Guardian Unlimited.

          Don't give me that ooo crap. You're talking to yourself.

          Right.

          Oh yeah by the way, my quote on this topic is:

          Ignorance is not always bliss. Sometimes it can be down right @!$%#ing dangerous. This is another story which should emphasize this danger to developed nations to bring more faster education to these poor african countries, to stop the spread of HIV.

          • 6 votes
          Reply#5 - Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:34 PM EDT
          NikitaB

          Ugly Bastard. I am not a big fan of the Guardian myself, so I hear you on that.

          Having said that, does anybody know good sites on how we could get involved and have an effect?

          • 1 vote
          Reply#6 - Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:29 AM EDT
          NikitaB

          A friend suggested www.charitynavigator.com... damn, if only I had money...

          Is there a way to donate knowledge as a web developer?

          • 1 vote
          #6.1 - Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:22 AM EDT
          I SPY

          You could try google the name "Mike Willesee." He is an Australian that I know of over there who is reputable.

          • 2 votes
          #6.2 - Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:46 PM EDT
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          RadicalCentrist

          The horror and tragedy of this crime aside, as an armchair sociologist, I find this concept of the "virgin cure" to be an interesting example of reasoning by metaphor. If you got the disease by sleeping with a 'dirty' girl and that has made you 'unclean', then obviously you need to sleep with a 'clean' girl in order to cancel that out.

          • 4 votes
          Reply#7 - Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:18 AM EDT
          wolfger

          Interesting theory. I guess I'm just more cynical. I figured some sadistic b@$^@&) got an STD, and wanted "revenge" on woman-kind, so he dreamt this up and convinced people it was true.

          • 2 votes
          #7.1 - Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:26 PM EDT
          RadicalCentrist

          In that case, wolfger, you think he'd take his revenge on, well, sluts.

            #7.2 - Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:47 AM EDT
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            KaosAngelDeleted
            JeremyToo

            What a stupid guy . Raping someone and gave a stupid reason , too bad . I don't think the rapist really think after having sex with someone can cure himself , he was desperate because he got HIV , he just want to try everthing , in the meantime , he wanted his nephew to fit his sexual desire .

            The little girl is so strong , tough enough to tell the world that her uncle raped her , and she never give up her ambition , her goal . Should learn from her .

            • 2 votes
            Reply#9 - Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:01 AM EDT
            Calvin Tang

            KaosAngel, another comment like that will result in immediate removal from Newsvine.

            • 6 votes
            Reply#10 - Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:32 PM EDT
            KaosAngel

            Heh, the first time I have ever went back to a thread that I posted on. Wow, the censors got me. Calvin, just wait for it - I will give you your chance to ban me. Maybe if I would have written a tiriad about Bush, the GOP, or some @!$%# I could have spared the censorship?
            I guess on newsvine it is the same ol addage, 'freedom of speech, just watch what you say' After all, god forbid I have an opinion that is different than others, and god @!$%#ing forbid I might actually offend others. Rading half the crap on here offends me, but I am certain that you never threatened Keld with the banstick for his inane ramblings or the like.

              Reply#11 - Sun Jul 2, 2006 6:58 PM EDT
              Irma

              You were most welcome to have a different opinion. However, I have never seen anyone making the kind of suggestion you did. Although I haven't asked for you comment to be deleted, I am of the opinion your comment violated the Code of Honour.

              As an aside, since you said that this is the first time you went back to a thread you commented on, I wonder why you seem to think this 'hit and run' strategy is effective and useful. Or, if you don't apply this tactic for said reasons, why you comment and never look back.

              • 6 votes
              #11.1 - Sun Jul 2, 2006 7:19 PM EDT
              Calvin Tang

              Calvin, just wait for it - I will give you your chance to ban me.

              We can dispense with the pleasantries and just do it now, if you please.

              I guess on newsvine it is the same ol addage, 'freedom of speech, just watch what you say'

              No, it's an adage that you haven't heard of yet, called: don't confuse freedom of speech with membership.

              • 5 votes
              #11.2 - Thu Jul 6, 2006 1:23 PM EDT
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              Writer X

              Irma - This story is not so bad compared to babies being raped Follow this link. The HIV epidemic there plus poor education and reliance on folk tales will only exacerbate everything. I hope that some of the money Buffet is giving Gates will be spent on education in this part of the world.

              • 3 votes
              Reply#12 - Mon Jul 3, 2006 2:47 AM EDT
              JeremyToo

              yes , agree with you Write X , Buffet and Gates will certainly help the needers especially from 3rd world countries .

                #12.1 - Fri Jul 7, 2006 10:20 AM EDT
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