After 2 years, same-sex marriage icons split up

Now that is spin (mixed with a nice dash of intolerance) - if you aren't for same-sex marriage you're automatically a same-sex hating homophobe. I wonder if those in the GLBT community who are against same-sex marriage are homophobes and filled with self-hatred, too?

I don't call them homophobic hate groups because they're against gay marriage. There are plenty of people who oppose gay marriage, but are not hateful or homophobic.

However, these organizations that pride themselves in including "family" in their name, often are driven by much more than a good reason for opposing same sex marriage. It's the determination and spin they display that makes me say they're hateful and homophobic.

See this page for some samples of what these "pro-family" groups seem to be about.

My bad - I misinterpreted your remark as a blanket statement.

No problem. I can understand how it could be seen as such.

What's a good reason for opposing same sex marriage?

Ah, opposing gay marriage does make one a homophobe. There is no rational reason for doing so- only fear and religious hatred.

What's a good reason for opposing same sex marriage?

I can't think of any, but I can imagine that if it goes against your religious beliefs, that may be some sort of a valid reason for you as a person.

Myles, I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic or serious and whether you aimed your post at someone in particular.

I can't think of any, but I can imagine that if it goes against your religious beliefs, that may be some sort of a valid reason for you as a person.

It's certainly a valid reason for not getting married to an individual of your gender yourself, but not for banning same-sex marriage entirely. And, I should add, just because your reason for opposing gay rights is religious doesn't make you not a homophobe. It means that your religion is homophobic. That's why we separate church and state around here.

w8in, find me someone who opposes gay marriage but isn't homophobic. Not someone who claims to be so, but who actually is.

w8in, find me someone who opposes gay marriage but isn't homophobic. Not someone who claims to be so, but who actually is.

I don't know. I've heard of homosexuals who oppose gay marriage.

For the record, I'm not saying religion is a valid reason to oppose gay marriage. I'm saying that for that person it may be a valid reason.

There are Christians who are against gay marriage. There are also Christians who are for it. So it also depends on the Christian how strictly they follow their homophobic religion.

Yeah, or how they interpret it. I haven't yet heard a convincing case that Christianity's principles forbid gay marriage. And, as I said, religion is a perfectly good reason to not have a gay marriage, but not to support a ban of it.

As for homosexuals who oppose gay marriage, it's entirely possible that they're homophobic, or at least have "heteronormative" psychology. I'd like to hear how one can oppose gay marriage without believing on some level that gay couples are not worthy of equality with straight couples.

There are some homosexuals, primarily those who realized their sexuality during the "sexual revolution" period, that feel that marriage would make gay people just like everyone else, and would remove an element of sexual freedom that, for them, is intrinsic to the experience. They want to remain rebels, essentially. How that equates with banning marriage for all gay couples, however, I have no idea... seems to me they could remain sexual "rebels" or whatever just fine on their own, whether gay marriage was legal or not. Somehow, the idea that gay couples are becoming more and more like straight couples now that society is more accepting of us seems to scare them. I don't really understand it myself.

I agree that boston.com's headline doesn't represent the situation correctly.