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    This is not an intervention, it's a cry for help.

    If it was any other site, one which was not full of close friends and respected opponents, or one to which we had not, each, devoted hundreds or thousands of hours contributing wholeheartedly and with consideration for the community - well then none of this would be happening. We would have quietly slipped away.

    We love this place but we can't spend much time here with the way things are. A high proportion of threads are now argumentative and unhelpful. Few people are getting smarter here, they're stopping by for a fight, hidden behind an anonymous identity and with no consideration for the humanit of the people with whom they're arguing. They're not here to learn or to educate, and they don't care about the vine or the people who've put their heart and soul into it.

    It's not just faceless people. The unpleasant and combative envirionment brings out some of the worst traits of genuine contributors. There are others who have a particular agenda of some sort and are quite willing to destroy anyone standing in their way.

    You can brush this off as the whinging of some old-timers. But if we didn't know that it could be different, we'd assume it was another Digg, poisoned by unpleasant gangs. We DO know it can be better. We remember when the admins came in *before* things got out of hand and gently took the troublemaker aside for guidance, rather than coming in late and distributing arbitrary "justice" and sarcasm. We remember when people made an effort to be courteous with one another, by and large.

    Many of us have been fighting this trend. Others have gone quiet. Some have left for good. This feels like "last chance" time, though, and it would be a pity to let everyones good work - admin as well as user - come to nothing.

    We need a cultural change. We need less tolerance of hate speech and abuse. We need to get smarter here.

    Want to help?

    Djehuty (Martin Haywood)
    Dennis P. McCann
    WaltD
    Robbie Lawrence
    rwarner
    Brad LeClerc
    Celestina / Amie Tracey
    johnfiorentino-1
    Eric Albert
    Blue_Eyed_Lady
    Geminga
    Redruby
    bluejohhnyd / John Dudley
    azsky13
    profwork
    Melissa Corley
    yasmin
    energynet
    ann in Texas
    oldfogey
    Rebecca Yarowsky
    winsomecowboy
    jdoyle / John Doyle
    Rob Ballew
    Jerry Verlinger
    Bill Scoggin
    Carole R
    Arizonan
    Tamh
    Huckleberi
    Orlando Dozier
    jbdaad
    Kodebri
    SthPacific (Albert Kyder)
    Fugitive247
    Ombra
    Dan Charles
    Peter Merel
    alkimija
    Ire
    hamid.nyc
    Synthesis
    Cassandra
    Frank Scott
    SteveHouse
    Pamela Drew
    Leah M
    Mike Sifeldeen
    Barry Rutherford
    Stacy Malbon
    davjohn
    nearing
    Viki Gonia
    evanO
    Johblogs
    QACoach
    Partisan Hack
    ReggieK
    Dr Blockbuster
    Spaman
    magz
    indecent
    atsidiwashichu
    newsblog903
    Steve Mock
    SpotlightDIVA
    dungbeetlemania
    Kymlee
    Chello
    Gecko85
    Ron C Baker Sr.
    Jim Dent
    Juno Hera
    capitalK
    RebelGirl
    Digits
    Allan Neal
    MinnieApolis
    Sedekka Islam
    Brenda Mayer
    Rottlady
    JJP
    Scott (Scoop) Butki
    newsguru
    Gumwars
    BAJunkie
    Killfile
    MsCyprah
    MacMillan
    JoeGrinD
    gladbutterfly
    Kid Kilowatt
    Gwenny
    Greyshore
    Andimia
    Chris from MN
    Tedd Riggs
    TheJonesGirl
    Lauhal
    Áine MacDermot
    David L
    MarcusK
    Jared Kardos
    Kirigami
    Beauty
    dcstone01
    Vanessa Wilson
    Brandon Kiser
    djd
    Michael Sautter
    RachaelMM
    Miss Dev
    caroaber
    _jen_
    Ben Josephs
    KLM
    Jimster
    Prosopon Maranatha
    Dr Know
    Rixar13
    Scott Isaacs
    katrix
    Mark Homer
    generaldecay
    Thomas Mendip
    chill
    Proud American
    Raat ki Raani
    Sandie Seward
    Sim2Luv
    Dubbya R
    negrits
    Tom Bombadil
    firsty
    Behind My Screen
    grog
    Ian Walter
    Dan Hallo
    jlp coos
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    chum suet
    dswinder
    Dolores M. Bernal
    Ageing Hippie
    Robert Blevins
    Lilithbytes
    SuperSaiyan

    I'm really sorry about anyone I've missed. Let me know, ok?

    Look, guys, I know this is short on solutions, but I figure the first step is recognising that there's a problem. There is. I submit that we each do our best to be civil and considerate and moderate our columns impartially but firmly, and that we call on the admins to help us out in that - and particularly to take notice of the patterns of bad behaviour, especially provocation and trolling and gaming of the system. But that's me. I'm writing it down here so you know I'm not putting words in your mouths.

    Finally: thank you. I really appreciate the goodwill expressed here. It's a precious resource.

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  • In the young but growing world of user-generated news, sites like digg and slashdot dominate in the tech sphere. In the political arena, it is mostly editorial-driven sites that do well - such as DrudgeReport, HuffingtonPost and RawStory. Those sites get a lot of attention, but there are also a lot of so-called "Citizen Journalism" sites out there trying very hard to break through to the mainstream. We're going to run a series here on Read/WriteWeb exploring some of those sites. In this first post we'll provide a brief intro to Citizen Journalism (but with a product focus, not theory), and profile a leading practitioner: Newsvine.

  • Newsvine

    One part news feed aggregator, another part publishing platform, Newsvine pulls in the latest news stories from mainstream media sources in addition to giving users the chance to publish their own work.
    http://www.newsvine.com

    Vote now!

  • Yet another way to browse Newsvine.

  • Public relations firm Edelman has enlisted RSS toolmaker NewsGator to build ad widgets that pull in feeds, ratings, and comments. The joint product, called "Hosted Conversations," launches Monday.

    ...

    For those of us more interested in the consumer side, Holston said to look for a new version of NewsGator's web-based feed aggregator next month, which will incorporate aspects of social tools like Netvibes and Newsvine.

  • Rand Fishkin, the guru of link baiting and social media campaigns, pointed out that you still use all the traditional techniques of marketing and PR - figure out who the audience is and give them a piece of content that will resonate.

    Rand described the digg audience as bored, young, tech-savvy college kids sitting in their dorm looking for something they consider to be interesting content. If that's your target audience, go for digg.

    If you have a product in the health care industry and your audience is baby boomers, digg won't help you much.

    For non tech stories, getting posted to reddit or newsvine is a much better bet.

  • The New York Times unveiled a new service today that allows readers to quickly post stories that they find on the newspaper's Web site to Digg, Facebook and Newsvine.

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    EbOY is a small group of four people. The Berlin based group creates re-usable pixel objects and takes them to build complex and extensible artwork.

    They've got a new FooBar poster, and guess what .... Newsvine is visible :-)

  • A place to collect interesting links from or about Newsvine

  • I'd also be sure to add the obligatory buttons to the foot of your story, or the header, as some bloggers do. We've done this for delicious, digg and reddit. Others such as Newsvine may also appeal, but don't overdo it...

  • Calvin Tang, Co-founder & Chief Operating Officer in NewsVine., has taken the time to answer a few questions from Web2List.com.

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    Since we all pretty much support 'our' OldFogey, and he makes use of Newsvine for his campaign, I thought I'd make him a seal in cool Newsvine green. Helped by the official seal generator, hosted at ImageShack, he could e.g. use that as the logo for the Wiki James suggested he should start.

    Of course, someone could create him something more nifty, but this is as good a start as any, don't you agree?

  • Another site where you can get paid for your writing is Newsvine.com, which allows users to make a personal homepage on which they can write commentary, articles, and can link to other news articles that they find interesting. Users receive 90% of the ad revenue from their pages. That sounds like a lot, but unless you create a very popular page, promote it, and put in the time to update it, you might not make much money. But if you like keeping up with the news, it may be worthwhile to check out this site. You may be able to make some money from your blog and have fun in the process.

  • Mike Davidson of Newsvine.com opens by saying this is a time to talk about how to improve the editorial process. How to decide which stories are important and interesting without human intervention? E.g., Techmeme.com looks at what A-Listers and B-Listers are linking to, while Digg lets everyone vote. Newsvine measures how long you spend looking at a story.

  • Got the note below from Squidoo today. I hate this MLM (multi-level marketing)/referrer program stuff. I know it works, but it feels icky to me. We thought about all these models when we started WIN and found that you're better off finding the best of the best and paying them well to make a "lens" of the web.

    Quality folks don't do the MLM stuff. MLM stuff draws the low-rent, scammers of the world (think: the folks you know who join those viatim cults).

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    Zoomclouds is a service that lets you generate a tagcloud from an RSS feed:

    Tag clouds are cool, informative, appealing representations about what's happening in your blog, or anywhere else.

    With ZoomClouds you can put in a matter of minutes a tag cloud in your site, based on whichever RSS feed you like.

    You can define height, width, colours ... the entire look and feel of the tagcloud.

    When you're done, you get the code which you then can post on your blog, or website.

    As an example I've created three clouds, spanning a 7 day period. One for my column, one for the main page of Newsvine, but just the Wire part, and one for the main page of Newsvine, the Vine part. You can see the result at your right.

    When you click a tag, you get taken to a page with the most recent articles / seeds mentioning that specific word.

    If you want to have a look for yourself, without immediately signing up, you can do so at the sample page for Newsvine - Irma.

  • ABC is poised to relaunch its streaming video service in the fall, after what it calls a successful test under its belt, with a tweaked broadband player and more shows available online for a shorter period of time per episode.

    A separate source, NewsVine founder and former Walt Disney Internet Group manager Mike Davidson, said that some people tuning out was to be expected.

    "It happens on TV, it's going to happen online," Davidson said. But he also didn't think that any falloff was the most important part of the data.

    "There are so many good things about this," he said. " It's a huge, influential company taking the first steps." He also pointed to some of the other data, including one that said 87 percent of the online viewers were able to recall the advertisers who sponsored the stream.

  • When I seed an article, I always take the original title, at the most stripping away things like 'the June 21st Edition' or 'page 1 from 2'. I usually post the first couple of paragraphs, also 'as found'.

    Today I got some criticism on this approach by Dennis M. Wright who thinks I should be condemned for

    the failure to import the appropriate balance into the article summary, creating a misleadingly one-sided impression for readers who rely on it (rather than referring back to the article seeded).

    regarding an article about a "Western Galilee kibbutz [that] closes its pool to Israeli Arab swimmers", as you can read for yourself over here.

    To my defense I replied that I never claimed it was a summary. Readers who are too lazy to click that big green 'Read article' button and read the original article, in my opinion, don't have to be accomodated. It would be different if the original source wasn't linked to, or mentioned. I don't see any obligation to chew a seeded article into bit sized pieces. It's just what it is, a seed, and not an original article.

    Dennis however doesn't consider this to be good citizen journalism. Personally, if it gets people thinking, I do think it's good citizen journalism. I have always learned that one should never blindly put one's faith in what one reads. One should be aware of the bias of e.g. the newspaper or site one is consulting. One shouldn't rely on a quote when forming one's opinion either.

    At the same time, while stumbling upon another article I seeded, several people were troubled by either the title of that particular seed, which is Feminist says child rearing not worthy of time and talents of intelligent humans, or the content of this article. Some weren't aware of the POV of the site from which the article stemmed.

    merrydeath stated:

    I think it's fine to post a headline 'as is' with the modifications you stated. It is definitely the reader's responsibility to discern the validity or bias of the source. However, I think that there is a general feeling (possibly unwarrented) that a seeder is supportive of the seeds she/he posts. I do try to write a summary that states my position or thoughts/questions on the article when I seed it. This let's me either show support or distance myself from something that might be questionable but interesting. (link)

    My answer:

    If people wish to think I am supportive of everything I seed, so be it. Personally I like to be a smartass at times, and post things that are controversial and might trigger a discussion. I can't repeat it enough, I think people should be active newsreaders. I don't swallow everything that's put in front of me, and I think that's a positive attitude, that might be beneficial for others to obtain. I'm not saying everyone should read news the way I do, but I happen to think it's an at times highly enlightening way.

    Perhaps I should state my personal opinion with every article I seed but:
    1) I lack the time
    2) my personal opinion isn't what should be getting the attention
    3) my skills in English aren't those of a native speaker, and it takes me more time to communicate my opinion because of it
    4) I'm not Claus *grin*

    Jason Coleman's approach:

    Irma, I personally try to take your approach where ever possible. I do admit to changing some titles, simply because they make no sense or give no context. Typically, I leave titles alone and quote a few snips to get someone interested. I leave editorial content of my own for a comment. I even wrote more on this in my bio, just to hold myself to it. I think a part of citizen journalism should be making at least a passing attempt at removing one's self from the article. (link)

    Now what about you, my fellow Viners? What is the way to seed an article?

  • We're all news addicts. That's why we are here, right? Newsvine is where we gather to satisfy our needs, to 'get our fix', reading interesting seeded articles, or original content, on every possible subject, and later on, getting into a heated debate, seeking confirmation or just venting our opinion or reading other Viners' opinions.

    As at this moment I am suffering from a balance disorder, reading isn't always an option for me, as it's hard to finish an article when all letters are like floating around, making it hard to make sense of them.

    These days I've come to value my ears a lot. My ears allow me to listen to news at times when my eyes need a rest. Enter audio files.

    Now of course you don't have to suffer from anything in particular in order to appreciate audio files. Some people are more aurally oriented, others more visually. Sometimes an audio file of about 5 minutes can communicate a lot more information than one could possibly read in the same time span. When listening to an interview with someone, intonation, pauses etc. can be very revealing, something a written transcript of that interview perhaps wouldn't show.

    And for those of you that would qualify as 'super-addict', you could always read an article while listening to an audio file, even on two entirely different subjects if you please :-)

    Anyway, let me introduce two new tags: listen-to-news and audio-file. To be used when seeding a newsworthy article with news in audio format. Or not of course, it's up to you.

  • Born on June 18th 1969 as the first child in an average normal family, except for the illiterate, abusive father, and the dutiful mother, sacrificing her own life for her children, including that lousy excuse for a husband, all because she made the mistake of marrying him, and because she strongly believes in living with the consequences of one's actions, Irma spent the first 17 years of her life in the small town of Bergen op Zoom in the Netherlands.

    Being able to read at age 3, she later on became an avid reader, and having read just about everything the local library had to offer at age 10, she started nagging her mother to bring her to the main library at the other side of town every few days.

    She never liked being a girl, and could even be seen praying at night for God to turn her into a boy overnight, always being disappointed if such obviously wasn't the case the next morning. She drove the Catholic nuns at kindergarten crazy by refusing to play with dolls, and by disappearing from the school yard, driving off on a go-cart, of course only to be noticed a couple of blocks down the road by thoughtful adults, bringing her back to that same school yard, where the nuns made sure she knew she was a naughty child. Nevertheless she must have liked going there, because when she was suffering from Pfeiffer's disease, she was told she wouldn't be allowed to go to school the next day, if she didn't sleep in the afternoon, and this for almost an entire year.

    Pfeiffer's disease plagued her once more, in secondary school, even though one is supposed to only be able to get it once, where she almost had to retake her 4th year, having missed a couple of months. She studied Latin and Greek, took the obligatory field trip to Italy, smoked marijuana in the pupil's basement, tried to fit in but failed miserably, called just about every teacher by first name, except for the few remaining priests and elderly teachers, played the recorder, even though she would have largely preferred the piano, tried ballet, gymnastics, football, karate, tennis and a couple of other sports, but not ice hockey because that really wasn't considered a sport for girls, played theatre, felt awkward about her blossoming femininity, underwent a breast reduction because her G-cup sized bosom caused a constant backache, lived through a rather dramatic divorce (her parents' divorce that is) of which she insisted to spare you the details, and took off abroad, a whole 40 kilometres from home mind you, to enter university.

    Because it surely would be dangerous, a young girl alone in a big bad city, she spent the first year in Antwerp with yet other nuns, who rented rooms to lady students. Because it was such a hassle asking for a key every time she would return to the nunnery after 8 p.m., she duplicated the key, which never was discovered, even though the nuns came close at more than one occasion, one of those being that night when the police rang the bell at about 1 a.m., waking up the entire building, because they wanted to confirm it was her who had called about the smell of gas, and a smell of gas there was by the way, even though the Jewish man her friend and she asked for confirmation, looked as if he was about to strangle them, while all they did was save him and all the other inhabitants of that street from a possible explosion.

    She studied economics, as a second choice, as her heart went out to literature, but some thought a girl doesn't need an education anyway, being an inferior creature, and others were afraid an education in literature would only prepare her for a life on the dole. After a couple of years however, she decided she really wouldn't like to pursue a career in the economic field, and quit, exchanging economics for journalism, information and communication, graduating cum laude and getting her first Bachelor's degree, specialising in intercultural communication. After that she considered her knowledge of sociology and anthropology to be inferior, went back to university, and got a Master's degree, graduating cum laude again, after having written a thesis on female genital mutilation, or, using a term with less negative connotations, female circumcision.

    All this time she had been working at the same time, starting out as a babysitter for two cute but spoilt Japanese kids, whose father worked in the diamond trade, first as an employee, but later on starting his own company, in which she then did administrative work as well as sorting diamonds, and this for several years. After various temp jobs, she worked at the tourist office of the city of Antwerp for about a year, during Antoon Van Dijck's Year in 1999 (Anthony van Dyck, the painter). One of the temp jobs she did afterwards brought her to a company that developed software, where she was active in helpdesk support, consulting and services support and marketing support. Unfortunately there was a worldwide reorganisation and she found herself, like so many others, unemployed. She was fired the American way, being told one afternoon, after lunch, seeing her e-mail and network access closed down immediately, and being told she didn't have to come back the next day. Good thing she lived at walking distance from the office, and she didn't have a company car, or she would have had to arrange for a taxi in order to get home. Not the fact she was fired but the way in which she was, came as quite a shock, all the more because just one week before that particular day, she had a job evaluation conversation, where she was promised a raise and an interesting career plan, with more emphasis on tech aspects of her work.

    As she was unable to find a satisfactory job, and didn't like living on unemployment benefits, she took an intensive course in network administration and basic web development and scripting during 10 months, only to find out, she still wasn't able to find a job, having to compete with young guys straight out of college or university, or system administrators with years and years of experience, even though she was invited for job interviews many a time, and didn't limit herself to finding a job in ICT. The excuses she heard varied from being too old for the labour market, not fitting the all male team, being overqualified, not having enough work experience in that particular field, surely not being able to speak French, being Dutch and all, and being too much of a generalist.

    After more temporary and various jobs, participating in an exam for communications expert for a position at the city of Antwerp, she made it through several rounds but got a phone call one morning she didn't make it through the final round. That same afternoon however she got another phone call, asking her whether she would be interested in working for the city of Antwerp in another position, at the special unit Sham Marriages and Forced Marriages, where she now most of the time is interviewing couples wanting to get married, while at least one of them is not having the Belgian nationality or a permanent resident permit, in order to find out whether they want to get married for other reasons than to obtain such a permit. She is also trying to help victims of sham marriages, as well as victims of forced marriages, or people being afraid of being forced to marry.

    In her spare time, she likes of course being online, being a member of numerous communities and luring people into following her to those communities, loving anything beta, defining herself as an e-schizophrenic, being an expert in dilly-dallying, being addicted to silly quizzes that are like psychology for the lazy, as well as information and news, being a master in starting new blogs that afterwards don't get enough of her attention, using the nom de plume Morgaine LeFaye, and occasionally publishing poetry and short stories. Offline she still likes reading, writing, going to the theatre, the opera, and a concert once in a while, buying shoes, having long conversations, either over the phone or face to face, and, since she moved from an apartment to a house, gardening, or so she thinks, as due to various reasons, she didn't have the occasion to spend hours gardening just yet.

    She lives together with a redheaded Dutchman, who online goes by the unpronounceable name wchulseiee, and whom she met online, about 7 years ago. He was crazy enough to relocate to Antwerp, and is admirable for putting up with her complex and difficult personality. She defines herself as bisexual and polyamorous, with an interest in various fetishes and kinks, emphasising this doesn't mean she is a nymphomaniac, on the contrary, she has known several periods of being asexual.

    She spends a lot of time thinking about relationships in general and hers in particular (with family, especially her mother, friends, partner and potential other partners/lovers, ...), the concept of polyamory and the consequences, living together or living alone, bdsm, fetishes, new encounters, the impression you made on her, work, a career change, poetry, the short stories she should write down, handwritten letters, the smell of memories, identity, which camera to buy, her qualities and character flaws, insomnia, how she ever is going to keep her mind quiet once in a while, her immediate future, synchronicity, which language to learn next, both her online and offline friends, her need to relate to people, her being distant and very not physical when feeling troubled and unhappy, the whimsicalities of life, how to break out of vicious circles, catch-22 situations, inconsistencies, how she is an aunt since the beginning of September, children, why there are days she craves attention, how Google is becoming the new Microsoft, and anything that catches her attention as she is rather curious by nature.

    She still has a lot to learn in life, for instance how to sleep, how to find inner balance, how to accept herself for who she is, whomever that may be, as she still is trying to figure that out, how to worry less and enjoy more, how to be more optimistic and self secure, how to be more confident writing in English, as she still is feeling inferior for not having an expert knowledge of vocabulary and grammar, which prevents her from expressing nuances, even though she is being assured by several people there's nothing wrong with her English language skills and there aren't that many people that are polyglot.

    Her latest addiction is Newsvine, which she loves and adores, all the while still hoping one day it will be less US (of A) centred, and more importantly, multilingual so she can be a proud ambassadress of Newsvine for the Dutch speaking population on earth.

    Phew. Could you read that in one single breath?

    (also try my 'Bio')

  • War, famine, murder, (sexual) abuse, scandals, corruption, indifference ...

    I am a news addict. I devour my news watching television, listening to the radio, reading newspapers and magazines, and spending too much time over here at Newsvine. Most of what I see, hear, read doesn't put me in a cheerful mood, and that's a euphemism. Since I'm the worrying type, and my brain doesn't know an 'off' switch, I often find myself thinking about some news item or another late at night, in bed. And while Insomnia is my best friend, even I need a break from myself once in a while.

    I'm sure you all know the saying 'no news is good news' and this is never more appropriate as when consuming news, via whatever medium. When I look at the front page of Newsvine at this particular moment, what do I see?

    • France fined for deporting Jews
    • Annan: The world is losing battle against HIV/AIDS
    • Death Toll in Angola Cholera Exceeds 1,500
    • Rising Gas Prices Drag on Deliveries
    • Brin Says Google Compromised Principles

    What have I been seeding lately?

    • UK 'colluded in terror flights'
    • CIA Hid Nazis' Locations, Eichmann, Other War Criminals Were Shielded Due To Cold War Security Concerns
    • Suicide attack at Chinese wedding
    • Teen 'hatched blueprint for murder in prison'
    • Gender Base Violence Alarming, Government Partners Hunt $10 Million For Campaign

    Do you ever get an overdose of head lines like these? Does the news make your head hurt once in a while? Do you feel overwhelmed, helpless, depressed?

    I've got a remedy.

    It's a tiny little tag called positive news. You can add it to your watchlist. This is your friend in dark and desperate hours. News that warms your heart.

    It's a tine little sprig in the Newsvine vineyard. It will probably never grow that fast. But I will take good care of it. And you're most welcome to help. Happy seeding !

    Ps. personally I don't consider " conservative x wins over liberal y (or vice versa) ", or more generally speaking " pro [insert something here] or anti [insert opposite] wins over [vice versa] " to be good news, even when I'm happy with the outcome of the dispute / discussion / law proposal / ... But your mileage may vary :-)

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